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https://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/

Especially this post: https://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/freshly-hatched-gynocratic-rage/#more-2509

I don't know why. Maybe it's the presumption or the idea that regular-ole Feminism *isn't* helping men, which is bullshit. You help men by tearing down the institutional bias that causes all the problems men are facing. Maybe it's the article in there establishing a false equivilancy between angry feminists and MRAs. Seriously - how fucking insulting IS that? They infer that their quieter, less angry feminism is more mature than the angry, never-shut-up-about-it type. They go on to call the loudest feminists "anti-evangelists", in the fact that they tell certain people that feminism isn't for them. Oh noes, we might put people off. They say they don't want to go into a tone argument, and then do EXACTLY that.

Now, fuck all that noise in the ear. I've been an angry feminist since childhood. I was angry then and I'm angry NOW. And I'm not going to stop being angry until things fucking change. It's not immature, it's not draining, it's not a bad thing. Feminism isn't a popularity contest. It's hard, heartbreaking, gritty work. And when you get people coming in, saying damaging shit while calling themselves feminist, and when you jack up, they say, "Hmm, you're propping up the power structures you're trying to tear down", that makes people even more angry. It makes *me* see red.

A lot of us are *tired* of being told that we're too angry, too loud, too disagreeable, too unlikeable, too off-putting for the "cause". You know what? Fuck you. I have a lot to be angry about. I was seven when I was first exposed to the damage violent rape can cause. I've been treated as stupid, airheaded, sexually available and/or slutty for much of my adult life because I'm a sex-positive, bubbly, effusive, happy woman. I've gone through fuckfest after fuckfest with shitty men thinking their entitled to my body and getting angry when I tell them they aren't. I was raped. It took me until I was 31 before I found a male lover that WASN'T a sexist jackass that treated me like a human being. And when, during all that, I want to take time off, relax, ignore the world and it's terrible problems? Sexism in my TV shows, sexism in my comics (OH GOD, the SEXISM) and sexism in my games. Barrages of triggers that tear at my good nature and positive outlook every bloody day. And I'm STILL optimistic, I'm STILL nice to people. You know what? It's a fucking miracle I'm not MORE angry, really.

So don't tell me I'm too angry. And DON'T tell me I'm like the MRA scumbags, trying to shuttle us off into a corner while you do your "Grown up" feminism. I'm not extreme in my views. I'm not unfair or elitist. I'm tough, and I'm unrelenting, and I'm not going to let any fucker step on my rights. If that makes me unpleasant to be around, then boo-fucking-hoo. Go hang around Jezebel or Feministing or trade quips with Amanda Marcotte over twitter. You know, while all the angry feminists do all the hard fucking work.

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Date: 2012-01-08 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
Maybe it would be easier and a better idea to move past freshly-hatched gynocratic rage if there weren't new reasons for it every second of every damn day. I'll stop being angry at the patriarchy when it stops being a thing, and I'll stop alienating people when they stop finding my desire for basic human respect off-putting.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
The Patriarchy, at its most harmless, is like someone sitting behind you and poking you, day in, day out, going, "Are you annoyed yet? Are you annoyed yet? Are you annoyed yet?"

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Date: 2012-01-08 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
And then laughing at you when you finally turn around and yell at him, because it's not like he was hurting you or anything.

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Date: 2012-01-14 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
Especially when that site lets the commenters bash women and feminists regularly---and specifically. I'd be a lot more on board with the concept of the PHMT if somehow, the only thing they ever blamed it on was women and/or feminists. And I have more than a sneaking suspicion that they use 'feminists' to mean women.

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Date: 2012-01-15 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meleth.livejournal.com
Pretty much. "I'm not allowed to cry, and women are, and that makes me hate women for their crying privilege."

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Date: 2012-01-15 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
"And it's all womens' fault that I can't cry!"

And there should be a 'wasn't' or something like it in that sentence that begins "I'd be a lot more on board...."

They just want to get rid of all the responsibilities of power while keeping all the perks. Yeah. No.

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Date: 2012-01-08 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melalucci.livejournal.com
You've got my support.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
*fist-bump*

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Date: 2012-01-08 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] transcendancing.livejournal.com
I find some of the blog as irritating and offensive as you do. I also find some of it interesting and engaging. I support what you're saying. I'm especially angry about a thing at the moment, I can't talk about it so I'm feeling the silence as a Thing as well. I am trying hard to learn to value and be comfortable with my anger, particularly when it is valid and reasonable. Anger is such an *interesting* aspect of gender and other minority politics.

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Date: 2012-01-14 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
They only seem to blame women for whatever afflicts men. Never the patriarchy, just women. And the mods don't seem to rein in the re. fally offensive stu

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Date: 2012-01-15 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] transcendancing.livejournal.com
Point - that isn't something I'd noticed consciously. I'd been editing as I read I think. Thanks for mentioning that.

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Date: 2012-01-15 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
How on earth did my comment get that fucked up?

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Date: 2012-01-15 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] transcendancing.livejournal.com
No idea - but I got what you were saying in any case :)

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Date: 2012-01-15 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
Oh, it's my frickin' mouse.It suddenly jumps all over the place while I'm typing. Damned computer's only six months old and I already had to have the drive and mouse replaced once.

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Date: 2012-01-15 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] transcendancing.livejournal.com
That's decidedly not cool - sorry it's being so messed up for you.

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Date: 2012-01-15 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
Yeah, jeez, what a piece of crap.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
I think I stated my case why it pissed me off.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
Oh, my bad. In the mobile version, all it shows is your link and not the rest of the post.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
OHHH hahahaha! I thought you were getting snippy, I was all "What did I DO? :(" LOLOL!

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
Trust me, I was all ready to get snippy right back atcha. But I'm going to blame my swollen face and the Lortabs. :-P No love lost here, hon.

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Date: 2012-01-08 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
Oh, also in the mobile version, the link goes to the main page rather than the specific post you linked. So don't bite my head off if I was just a little confused.

I can understand your annoyance at that particular post.

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Date: 2012-01-14 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
There's one post he (Hugo Schwyzer) did that had the charming title of, "Men are guilty till proven innocent," or something like that. Thanks for endorsing rape apology, asshole. It ended with tepid support for women but up till then, straight on MRA.
Edited Date: 2012-01-14 11:34 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-01-14 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
Holy fucknode. That is awful. I did scroll through some of the other posts, and I have to admit that some of them did have good points, like how masculinity in the armed forces can cause a lot of harm for men who have been injured. Also, the one about the guy who stood up to his dad on his little brother's behalf about wanting a supposedly "un-masculine" videogame was sort of touching.

Still, stereotypes of femininity and masculinity - and the notions of those two themselves - are harmful to everyone of all genders and sexes, but more to women and trans people than anyone else, I think. After all, even a man called a sissy still has more privilege than a woman or someone who is trans.

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Date: 2012-01-15 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginmar.livejournal.com
Well, wait till you read his one called "The Accidental Rapist" in which he blames another ex for not saying no. He bills himself as a lecturer on the concept of Enthusiastic Consent. Holy fuck.

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Date: 2012-01-15 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
Oh, I've heard that one before. From my parents. Gotta love that.

Yeah...rape/sexual harrassment/molestation is NEVER a fucking accident. What's the excuse? "I slipped and my dick just fell into her?"

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Date: 2012-01-24 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notacrnflkgirl.livejournal.com
Hi, I followed your link from [livejournal.com profile] sf_drama. Thank you for this badly needed rant. I see their blog quoted (positively & authoritatively) and recced on tumblr all the time. In writing a response (http://bananapeppers.tumblr.com/post/13312937286/on-disney-channel-and-femmephobia) to a post about the meaning/place of "femmephobia," I googled the OP's uncredited quote, which is from "On Femmephobia," (http://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/on-femmephobia/) for context. One look at the front page and about section, and I knew it was MRA bullshit. And people are still saying it's not a pseudofeminist MRA blog! I mean, the 101/FAQs:

But men are already equal to women, aren’t they?

Not exactly (just as women aren’t exactly equal to men). Greta Christina has a series of four posts about sexism against men. Clarisse Thorn writes about the word “creep” and has an enormous thread series (at one point, she calculates that it’s as long as the Bible) on masculinity and feminism. And, of course, the post that started this blog off: Ozymandias’s Who Cares About Men’s Rights?

The point is, men experience sexism, mistreatment, and discrimination in many places in society (to name just a few examples, the draft, female genital mutilation versus circumcision, divorce proceedings, false rape allegations, dangerous working environments, depression and suicide, falling education rates, under-reported rape and domestic violence, etc.). Just as men have an advantage (or privilege) over women in society in many respects, the reverse is also true.

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Date: 2012-01-24 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Heya!

Oh God, that quote. Excuse me while I weep for all the mens out there suffering under the tight, unyielding yoke of female domination. Oh wait, that's a load of total bullshit! If a site mentions Greta Christina and Clarisse Thorn in a positive light, you know there is some fucked up shit going on.

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Date: 2012-04-02 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bronzed.livejournal.com
I have been following and admiring many of your comments in sf_d for a very long time now, and reading this on top of all the amazing comments you make made me feel compelled to ask if I can friend you. Sorry this is so late to the party but if I could read more posts like this my online life would be so enriched by it, because far too few people on my FL ever make posts like this one (though there are some who do) which make me feel proud to be a part of humanity again. Anyway long to short: I'd feel lucky to read more of what you have to say on a regular basis so I hope its ok!

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Date: 2012-04-02 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com
Oh, please do! I'd be honoured, really! Your comment totally made my day, by the way. It'll probably make my week, too. :) And your icon is ridiculously cute, btw, made me smile. :D

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Date: 2012-04-03 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bronzed.livejournal.com
Theres plenty more where that icon came from, you can steal them if you wish, i credit the makers in my icon page!
I am so glad I was able to bring some happiness into your day, because reading your comments always helps me avoid rage fits, and therefore rule breaking in communities, also 99% of the time I feel so much better after reading what you have said to people so we can call it even! :D

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