Prejudice between two or more oppressed groups is a difficult case, and one I'm not remotely equipped to argue- there are blogs that have spent some time discussing this, I'll point you to them if you want.
And in any case, saying that someone benefits from racism, or is part of a racist society, isn't the same as saying that someone is racist. Its a misuse of the argument, IMO. Academic definitions, if nothing else, are about precision of meaning.
No, it's not neccessarily the same thing, although again, there is a lot of discussion about this topic. However, I would argue that all white Australians have a degree of internalised prejudice against, say, aboriginal Australians- no matter how much they try to fix it. White Australians are also complicit in the oppression of other people, because we let it continue.
You said 'all white people' not 'all Australian white people' for a start. I suspect it is true of all white people in Western countries, if not elsewhere. I am less able to speak about the experiences in countries other than Australia.
The Irish in the UK are just one example of a group that has experienced comparable racism Do you think Irish people in the UK continue to suffer the same prejudice that UK-born black people do?
In general, yes, aboriginal Australia is in a shocking state. But 'not being in grinding poverty' isn't the same as 'racist'. Well, yes and no- the systems that keep aboriginal Australians in poverty are partly based in racism, though I know there are many, many other factors involved. Shift it to two minimum-wage workers though, one white and one aboriginal, and the aboriginal person is still at a disadvantage.
If you are a poor Vietnamese Australian, chances are you are a lot better off as well. Yup. The stereotypes and particular flavour of prejudice aimed at different ethnic groups, as well as all of the larger dysfunctional systems, will change different ethnic groups' situations.
And, FWIW, anecdotal evidence of abuse of any ethnic group proves nothing. It is an anecdote to illustrate the issue. I have never once heard nurses attribute what a white doctor did to their race, but I have heard it about doctors (and nurses, and domestics, and so on) from other ethnicities many many times. Have you not noticed that pattern?
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And in any case, saying that someone benefits from racism, or is part of a racist society, isn't the same as saying that someone is racist. Its a misuse of the argument, IMO. Academic definitions, if nothing else, are about precision of meaning.
No, it's not neccessarily the same thing, although again, there is a lot of discussion about this topic. However, I would argue that all white Australians have a degree of internalised prejudice against, say, aboriginal Australians- no matter how much they try to fix it. White Australians are also complicit in the oppression of other people, because we let it continue.
You said 'all white people' not 'all Australian white people' for a start.
I suspect it is true of all white people in Western countries, if not elsewhere. I am less able to speak about the experiences in countries other than Australia.
The Irish in the UK are just one example of a group that has experienced comparable racism
Do you think Irish people in the UK continue to suffer the same prejudice that UK-born black people do?
In general, yes, aboriginal Australia is in a shocking state. But 'not being in grinding poverty' isn't the same as 'racist'.
Well, yes and no- the systems that keep aboriginal Australians in poverty are partly based in racism, though I know there are many, many other factors involved. Shift it to two minimum-wage workers though, one white and one aboriginal, and the aboriginal person is still at a disadvantage.
If you are a poor Vietnamese Australian, chances are you are a lot better off as well.
Yup. The stereotypes and particular flavour of prejudice aimed at different ethnic groups, as well as all of the larger dysfunctional systems, will change different ethnic groups' situations.
And, FWIW, anecdotal evidence of abuse of any ethnic group proves nothing.
It is an anecdote to illustrate the issue. I have never once heard nurses attribute what a white doctor did to their race, but I have heard it about doctors (and nurses, and domestics, and so on) from other ethnicities many many times. Have you not noticed that pattern?